On this episode we will explore the chilling world of Halloween! From haunted stories of old Fort Collins to modern day frights, Cassie Price will travel to a realm of terror that celebrates the seasons spookiest traditions. Join us as we whisper in the dark.

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*soft unintelligible chatter and clinking of silverware, like at a restaurant.*
Shh.
CASSIE PRICE: Hi everyone, welcome back to Whispers in the Dark. I’m your host, Cassie Price, and I’m here with:
FIAILOA HUTCHERSON: Fiailoa. (fee-uh-low-uh)
KYLIE WHITE: And Kylie.
CASSIE: They do not go to CSU. They’re actually out-of-staters.
KYLIE: Yeah, out-of-staters!
CASSIE: Where do you go, Fi?
FIAILOA: I go to UNLV.
KYLIE: I go to EWU.
CASSIE: What is EWU? You gotta explain this.
KYLIE: Eastern Washington University.
CASSIE: Awesome. So these girls are my best friends from home. And now Fi lives in Vegas and Kylie’s still in Washington.
KYLIE: Yeah.
CASSIE: They’re trekking out to Colorado.
KYLIE: We took the trek.
CASSIE: Took the trek, took the trek. Disclaimers: these are just speculations and conspiracies, none of this has been proven. Join us as we explore spine-chilling stories, eerie legends, and the darker side of Halloween. Whether you’re looking for thrills, chills, or even a deeper dive into the holiday’s haunted history, you are in for a treat. Join us as we whisper in the dark. What is y’alls favorite part of Halloween?
FIAILOA: I love the dressing up of it, like I love that you can just, like, pick a character and get to, like, be them.
CASSIE: Right? Like, I feel like, you can almost embody somebody else for the night.
FIAILOA: It gives you like a different kind of confidence.
CASSIE: Right?
FIAILOA: Like a different kind of, like…
CASSIE: Like if I dress up as a princess, I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I’m literally, like, a princess” [laughs]
FIAILOA: Right. Like I’m a princess now.
KYLIE: Yes! I love the pumpkins, and I love trick-or-treating, even though I don’t trick-or-treat anymore, obviously.
CASSIE: Oh my gosh, what?
KYLIE: But I just love the idea of, like, kids can go out on Halloween and just get candy. So cute.
CASSIE: Free candy. I think we’re still gonna go this year. I think we’re gonna…
KYLIE: You should.
FIAILOA: How old is too old to stop trick-or-treating?
CASSIE: Never.
KYLIE: I mean my last time was freshman year.
FIAILOA: I think my senior year of high school.
CASSIE: I don’t even know…
FIAILOA: I don’t even think I did, I didn’t, it was my junior year.
FIAILOA: That I stopped.
CASSIE: Wait. I don’t remember even, even when I lived in Germany. I don’t even know if we went trick or treating.
KYLIE: Really?
CASSIE: Yeah
FIAILOA: Oh my gosh.
KYLIE: Wait, do they do that in other countries?
CASSIE: I think, when I was in high school.
KYLIE: Does everybody trick or treat?
CASSIE: I think so.
KYLIE: Wait, I didn’t know this.
CASSIE: Yea.
KYLIE: I have no, I think its-
CASSIE: I think Halloween is universally celebrated.
FIAILOA: It’s not.
KYLIE: No?
FIAILOA: I’m pretty sure it’s a, it’s a U.S. thing.
CASSIE: Really.
KYLIE: Wow.
FIAILOA: Maybe they have like different versions of it, but I’ve never seen like any other country trick or treat.
KYLIE: No? Oh my gosh. That’s crazy.
CASSIE: I remember like in Germany you would trick on treat on base, cause, my family, we did like a trunk or treat for like the little kids. but-
FIAILOA: Off base?
CASSIE: No, yea we did have a few little German kids come to our door and they were dressed up.
KYLIE: Yea, ok.
FIAILOA: So maybe they do.
CASSIE: But we were also closer to the air base so maybe thats why.
FIAILOA: I don’t know.
CASSIE: Thats actually something to look up.
FIAILOA: ‘Cause I’ve never heard of any other country going all out like we do.
CASSIE: For Halloween?
FIAILOA: Yea.
KYLIE: We do go crazy for Halloween.
CASSIE: We do go a little crazy, even at like college, oh my gosh. It’s like Hallo-weekend.
KYLIE: No, 2 weekends.
CASSIE: Right, like the pressure to like dress up and go out like the nights before Halloween and then Halloween and then the following nights after that. its just-
FIAILOA: And crazy like costumes for every, well probably not guys as much but girls.
CASSIE: Oh my gosh.
KYLIE: No repeats, like, different costume every night.
CASSIE: Oh my gosh.
KYLIE: Yes.
CASSIE: It’s insane, and it’s so much money, like, it’s so much money for Halloween costumes.
KYLIE: It is a lot of money.
FIAILOA: Right.
KYLIE: It’s really expensive.
CASSIE: I can’t do that. How do y’all feel about scary movies?
FIAILOA: I love a good scary movie. I just–they’re scary.
KYLIE: I love scary. I’m a big, like, horror film person, but I do not like the gory films, like, at all. Like, I really don’t like, “The Terrifier”. I think it’s gross. Like, I don’t like it
CASSIE: Oh my gosh.
FIAILOA: But I love to be spooked. I need a little like, pop out. Like, I want to be like, Oh
CASSIE: It frightens me, because I know it’s coming, because I hear the music. So then I, like, hide behind the blanket, and I sweat and I shake, and I’m just like, Oh My God, Oh My God. it’s so bad.
FIAILOA: I’m a talker. I have to talk through the whole movie, or it’s actually, I’m gonna cry about it.
CASSIE: You’re so stupid so many times because I’m like, What are you doing? You’re gonna die.
FIAILOA: Like, run.
CASSIE: The only scary movie that I like is, like, the Scary Movies, like-
KYLIE: Yes.
FIAILOA: I love it.
CASSIE: Please don’t kill me.
FIAILOA: It is so funny.
KYLIE: Like a comedy horror.
CASSIE: Yeah. I like comedy horror.
KYLIE: I love that. It’s so good.
CASSIE: Nothing, clowns. I don’t like clowns
FIAILOA: Really?
CASSIE: Or dolls. None of that.
FIAILOA: I can’t do dolls. Can’t do dolls.
KYLIE: I feel like “It” is so good. “It” is just like, even the old one. I really like “It”.
FIAILOA: I like the old one.
KYLIE: I think it’s kind of funny too. And I like, there’s, like, there’s, like, a friendship in the movie.
FIAILOA: Yeah
KYLIE: You know?
CASSIE: I watched the old one with my family. Have you seen the old one, Kylie?
FIAILOA: Yea.
KYLIE: I actually haven’t. I’ve never seen the old one.
CASSIE: It is so long. It is so long.
FIAILOA: It is.
KYLIE: I really want to see it.
FIAILOA: Every time you thinks it over, it’s not.
CASSIE: Like, Oh my gosh, there’s more.
KYLIE: Where is it on? Like, where can you find it?
CASSIE: I feel like, you have to pay for it now,
KYLIE: Yeah, but I never see it on a platform.
FIAILOA: Maybe on [HBO] Max.
CASSIE: Oh, maybe on Max.
KYLIE: Okay, okay.
CASSIE: I don’t know
KYLIE: Watch it. That’s what’s next for this coming weekend.
CASSIE: Oh my god.
FIAILOA: But I love stuff like “Coraline”.
KYLIE: Oh those are actually so scary in my opinion.
FIAILOA: Like where they’re like spooky.
KYLIE: Like “Nightmare Before Christmas”.
CASSIE: Oh my gosh. Like “Frankenweenie”.
FIAILOA: Yes, I love.
KYLIE: I love “Frankenweenie”.
CASSIE: Well, okay, pause, so you know how, like, almost all the Tim Burton movies are a little bit connected.
FIAILOA: They are? Ive never seen that.
KYLIE: I’ve seen that.
CASSIE: A little bit yeah, so you know what’s his name, Victor in “Frankenweenie” and then Victor from the “Corpse Bride”.
FIAILOA: Yeah.
CASSIE: People say that Victor from “Corpse Bride” is Victor grown up from “Frankenweenie”.
FIAILOA: So it’s giving like crossovers.
CASSIE: Yes! But then-
KYLIE: The crossovers in like Disney movies too.
FIAILOA: They do.
CASSIE: But people also say, so I can’t see, like the “Frankenweenie” and “The Corpse Bride”. But this one I don’t know. I don’t know. Then people say, like, Jack Skellington from “The Nightmare Before Christmas” is also Victor. And they say, like, Emily is the one that took him to Halloweentown. Yeah.
FIAILOA: So like, everything is connected.
CASSIE: Everything’s connected. And on top of that, Tim Burton released a statement, and it was like, sometimes you look at a story and it’s told backwards, so some people think it’s like a trilogy, and it’s like moving backwards behind, like, his life.
FIAILOA: Like a timeline, like you don’t really know it’s a timeline. Like, yeah, they did the “Lord of the Rings” and, like, how they released “The Hobbit” after, but that happened before…
KYLIE: Right? Isn’t that, like, the same with star-Starbucks-
FIAILOA: “Star Wars”? Yeah, I’m pretty sure.
KYLIE: “Star Wars”. The people are like, the first movie isn’t the first movie.
CASSIE: I’ve never seen “Star Wars”.
KYLIE: You know, I’ve only seen the first movie, but I don’t even know that’s the first movie, because in the timeline, it’s not the first movies. I’m like, Well-
CASSIE: No, right.
FIAILOA: Yeah, where it’s like on a different timeline. Could be.
CASSIE: Maybe.
KYLIE: Maybe, like, in the back of your head, you’re like, you’re connecting it, but you don’t know that you are.
CASSIE: I feel like I’d have to watch all three, “Frankenweenie”, “Corpse Bride” and “The Nightmare Before Christmas”, and, like, really try to connect them. Because honestly, like, the thing about Victor and, like, both “Frankenweenie” and “Corpse Bride”, like, it kind of makes sense. But Jack Skellington, I don’t know, because people are like, Why is his name Jack? When he could have went by, like, Nick, you know.
KYLIE: Well, because he’s Jack’o’lantern King.
FIAILOA: Yes, exactly.
CASSIE: So it’s like, short-
KYLIE: Right?
FIAILOA: So he’s a nickname, yeah. Like, Oh, Jack.
KYLIE: That movie’s scary too, in my opinion.
CASSIE: “The Nightmare Before Christmas”?
KYLIE: That’s not a kid’s movie, in my opinion.
FIAILOA: No?
KYLIE: No. I watched it. I was like, what is this? When I was like, I don’t know how old it was, I feel like it’s kind of scary, too.
FIAILOA: I think they just have like, a creepy, like, underlying meaning behind it.
KYLIE: Yeah.
FIAILOA: Is what it is, it’s like a kid would never see this. But if you’re an adult watching it, you’re like, what?
CASSIE: Like watching Shrek back.
FIAILOA: Yeah. When I, yeah, watching this movie. Oh, so I was on TikTok, and I came across, like, this backstory for Jason [from “Friday the 13th”], like, it’s actually really sad that he had, like, apparently, when he was a kid, he was disabled, and, like, his face was, like, not, he wasn’t pretty, he wasn’t pretty. He was, like, disfigured, and he got bullied, like, throughout his whole life by everybody, and the only person that had any like, sort of love for him that was genuine and was genuinely kind to him, and like, didn’t care what he looked like, was his mom, and he was getting like, picked on, and apparently, like, they killed his mom, like it was so bad, like it wasn’t, it wasn’t just like, hey, I’m teasing you. It’s like they would beat this kid up, and they beat him up so bad and killed his mom in front of him. So he started, like, he genuinely, like, feared everybody. Like, feared people. So that’s why he was, like, killing everybody. Like, he killed everybody that killed his mom for revenge. And after that, he just, like, he goes after anybody that’s human, because he’s like, traumatized.
KYLIE: Oh my gosh.
FIAILOA: I know, like, a crazy backstory. It makes you kind of like, feel bad.
KYLIE: Oh my gosh. How many are they? Just called Jason? What is movie? Freddy? No.
FIAILOA: I have no idea.
KYLIE: Yeah, he’s the one with no-
CASSIE: Friday the 13th, right?
FIAILOA: I’m pretty sure the one with the white mask,
KYLIE: Yeah like the holes in the mask.
CASSIE: Yeah.
KYLIE: A lot of people dress up as that. They get that mask. I’ve seen it a lot during Halloween.
CASSIE: Yeah.
FIAILOA: I don’t know. Because, you know, a lot of people come out with like, crazy, like theories, but like-
KYLIE: Yeah, I don’t know.
FIAILOA: Kind of makes you feel bad. Like, aww.
KYLIE: Maybe they should come out with like, movie that explains like, Jason’s backstory, right?
FIAILOA: Like, they should do backstories on the killers. But I feel like, or like, I feel like people don’t want remakes, because we’ve had so many remakes. But I feel like younger generations don’t know anything about, like, how this started.
CASSIE: I know, well, I haven’t even seen, like, all the Halloween movies there’s, like, how many? Eight? Nine? Ten?
FIAILOA: I’m very familiar with a lot of the killers. I have no idea what they’re known for, like their movies.
KYLIE: Well, I don’t know, like I genuinely don’t know. Like, I love Halloween and I don’t know
CASSIE: Michael Myers, the one that’s on the back of our door.
KYLIE: I know, I’ve seen that but I don’t know if I’ve seen that.
CASSIE: The white mask with the orange hair. What I think I’ve only seen, oh my gosh, this is literally gonna reiterate what you just said about how, like, the younger generation has not seen these because I’ve only seen the newest one.
FIAILOA: But that’s what I’m saying. I’ve only seen, like, even the scream movies. I think I’ve seen the fourth one, and that’s like, it.
CASSIE: I just watched the first and second one with my roommate.
FIAILOA: Was it good?
CASSIE: It was actually really good. we were talking about, like, who’s the killer? Like, who’s the killer blah blah blah, and the whole time we’re like, He’s the killer. No, she’s the killer. And it was, it was crazy. It’s a lot of fun. I recommend, I recommend.
FIAILOA: Right? But I feel like I don’t know if they should remake it or, like-
CASSIE: Well, they just made a new one.
FIAILOA: Or replay them.
CASSIE: They just made a new one with Jenna Ortega.
FIAILOA: They should put them back in theaters, because I feel like nobody has seen them. Like, Halloween should become a thing where they play Halloween movies in theaters.
KYLIE: Wait, They might. You know the Garland theater in Spokane, Washington.
FIAILOA: Yeah, do they do that?
KYLIE: Where’s its like, its just a place where it’s like cheap movies and like, it just does replays of old movies.
CASSIE: That’ll be so cool.
KYLIE: I feel like they might do it like it’s more like a throwback thing.
FIAILOA: That would be so cool.
CASSIE: We have a drive in theater in Fort Collins, and I feel like I know they, over the summer they play “Jaws”, so maybe they do scare that actually, so cool if they do scary movies on the drive in. However, I don’t think I could do that, I would be to spooked.
FIAILOA: That’s scary being outside.
KYLIE: Near other people.
FIAILOA: In the dark and it’s Halloween season.
KYLIE: That might actually be fire though.
FIAILOA: But I don’t doubt somebody wouldn’t be dressed up like if you guys were watching Freddy Krueger, I doubt, I don’t doubt, somebody would be dressed, run through there, that would be scary.
KYLIE: Like, walking around with a mask. People-
CASSIE: I would cry. I would need to, like, have the blanket tucked around me, like there’s no gaps, no holes. Like that is like, Oh my gosh. Anyway, I was talking about Michael Myers. Michael- Michael Myers, right? Yeah. Michael Myers, there is a theory that when he puts the mask on, it gives you, like, this sense of power. You are powerful. And that’s why he, like, kept coming back and, like, wanted the mask. And I remember one of the movies, gosh, I think it might be like the one that came out in 2018 or something, but he could, like, sense that the mask was in the room. And I feel that he needs this mask, because without that, like he does not feel like powerful. And then as soon as he puts the mask on, like he is powerful. And that’s why, I think, like, there are so many other people that were trying to get the mask at one point because they knew it was powerful, or something.
FIAILOA: Like, the mask is actually powerful, or like, he’s mentally ill, and thinks it is.
KYLIE: Like, is he like a sociopath and like, it’s the only sense of, like, feeling when he puts on the mask.
FIAILOA: Like, he just has like, an emotional connection to it.
KYLIE: Yeah.
FIAILOA: That’s also a pattern I’ve seen with a lot of, like, the serial killers. It’s like they have, like, some psychological issues.
KYLIE: I mean yeah. I mean they are serial killers.
FIAILOA: Yeah.
CASSIE: Yeah, I don’t you know, that’s a great question. That’s a great question.
FIAILOA: I don’t know, but I like that theory on the mask is power, because, if you like, you just sense it, yeah, even if it was just psychological, you just know it’s there. Yeah. Like, what.
CASSIE: I mean, that’s why he’s, like, able. I feel like, in the last one, there was a scene where he was just walking out of the house that was on fire, and he was just, like, invincible, almost. But didn’t they, they killed him, right? Oh my gosh.
KYLIE: Guys, I need to watch more movies.
FIAILOA: No idea. See, we don’t know the movie.
KYLIE: Like I love- How do I love horror films? I’m just like-
FIAILOA: Exactly.
KYLIE: Like, Oh my gosh. What?
CASSIE: Oh my gosh. Did y’all know Fort Collins was rated the third most haunted city in the United States of America.
KYLIE: That’s crazy.
FIAILOA: And we’re sitting here. like what?
CASSIE: I didn’t learn that ’til this year, when my boss told me she was just like, yeah-
KYLIE: Do they have tours?
CASSIE: Yes, they do ghost tours. And during October they make them, like, extra spooky, yeah. So I do want to go on one, but I don’t know. And I know the [CSU] Oval is very, very haunted. I know where I work, we have a ghost.
KYLIE: That’s crazy.
CASSIE: He’s dressed as, like in, like, 70s clothes. And then there’s one in, I think, the Admin Building. I think that ghost is not friendly, but Student Services, the ghost that’s in student- student services. And then the building that I work in.
FIAILOA: Why so many in Fort Collins? Is it like a hot spot, or did something tragically happen here?
CASSIE: I have no clue. I have no clue. They- the old gym. There was a lot of deaths at that gym, and especially like in the pool. And I believe my boss told me that they, like, sealed the pool off. I don’t know if this is factual. It did not happen, I’m sorry, but this is what I told this was told, word of mouth, and then also, like, Old Town Fort Collins is haunted. Like Walrus Ice Cream. Or no Walrus, Walrus Ice Cream is haunted. You guys haven’t been but Walter’s ice cream is haunted. And then Beau Jo’s, it’s a pizza place in Fort Collins. It used to be like this little cafe, like, way, way, way back in the day, and it was midday when it happened. It was a wife and a husband. They owned this coffee shop, and midday was probably, like, 12 o’clock. The husband was outside, and the wife, literally, the wife literally went up to him and, like, sliced his throat. Yeah.
FIAILOA: That’s crazy.
CASSIE: In front of the coffee shop. And they say, like, the husband’s body, just like haunts that building now Beau Jo’s pizza.
FIAILOA: So maybe just like so many people died here, it just became like-
CASSIE: Yeah, well, also Fort Collins used to be, like an old something for Army, like I don’t know if it was a base. But I think it was just like where they held, like artillery and stuff. I’m not sure. But maybe that also contributes, like, a lot of people may have died here, so, like, they’re just, like, staying here, even our apartment. Our apartment was haunted. Did I tell you guys about that?
FIAILOA: No.
CASSIE: No? Our apartment. This happened maybe a few weeks ago. Um, Beja was like, walking out of her room, and she looked at the bathroom, and she saw this, like white figure, and she screamed, and it was only Sid and her home, and she screamed. And Syd was like, what happened? She’s like, I think I just saw a ghost. Like, I thought it was Cassie, but she’s not that tall, so there’s a ghost. And then the following day, we’re all sitting outside. We’re sitting in the hammock, and we that day, I get home and I windex the both the inside and the outside of the sliding glass door, and then we’re sitting in the hammock, and I turn to the side and there’s, IF, written on our window, like, drug, like skinny, skinny lines, drug, IF on our window. And we’re like, what’s that? It’s horrible. We use, like, it’s, I don’t know what it’s called. It’s like, it looks like a wood stick. It’s a form of sage. It’s like Palo Santo. Oh, I don’t know, I don’t know what’s called. We did the whole house, yeah. And Beja was literally like, Oh, you are not welcome here. You served your time here. Like, get out. And then the following day we I come home, and I’m like, Beja, did you put powder on in the bathroom? And she’s like, No, because there’s like, abnormal, like, weird looking footprints out of powder just in the corner of our bathroom that nobody would like, nobody would step in that corner, just like footprints. And then I go in the bathroom, and then I come out, and there’s another one.
FIAILOA: I would be gone. So fast. How do you guys still live there? I would be gone so fast.
CASSIE: Because we pay rent we signed a lease. I have to be there. I swear it’s haunted. And then I remember, because, you know, we have this thing in our house where it’s like noise activated, but if you say something, it will like, come out and say words. It’s, it’s like a skeleton head. And I said something. I was like, you are no longer welcome here. And then the thing like came out of the wall, and literally, was like, I see you. And oh my gosh, it was bad. It was bad.
FIAILOA: I think I would cry. I don’t think I would be able to sleep in your house.
CASSIE: It was bad.
KYLIE: It’s so weird to me, though, because I feel like ghosts like are portrayed more as like that, like historical thing that happened, but it’s like, what about the people currently that could become a ghost?
CASSIE: Like spirits.
KYLIE: Yeah. Like spirits like, I feel like it’s more like, Oh, that was like, That ghost from like 1700s, instead of like now.
CASSIE: I think spirits are very much real.
FIAILOA: Like the unfriendly ghosts or the unhappy ghosts, or like the ones that have like been here for so longer.
CASSIE: Not Casper.
KYLIE: Not Casper.
CASSIE: Yeah, maybe they’re just like, over it. Like we were here first.
FIAILOA: I don’t know if you guys used to watch, I used to watch, like, “Ghost Whisperer” and like a lot of the ghosts that were, like, being very destructive. It was like they couldn’t remember who they were, like stuff like that.
KYLIE: I have heard that like a ghost is like a spirit that’s like lost, like a lost spirit.
CASSIE: Like they never made.
FIAILOA: They can’t let go.
KYLIE: They never made it to like heaven, hell. Like they lost their like, or like their angel, you know, like angels, like God can, like, guide you, like to heaven, or whatever. Like, it’s like they don’t find their angel or their person to guide them, but it’s so like, weird, like, it’s sad. It’s like you were like, Why are you stuck? What if that stuckness is like purgatory, right? Isn’t that like the before part, before you go?
KYLIE: I don’t know.
CASSIE: Is that what its called?
KYLIE: It’s also because people have connections with their like grandparents and stuff, but it’s like, I feel like they’re not stuck, yeah. So it’s like, huh?
FIAILOA: This is actually something to think about.
KYLIE: Like there’s so much, and it’s, like, confusing, you know, like that, like death and like ghosts and like all of it afterlife, because, like, I believe in ghosts, but also I believe spirits, ghosts, they’re all real superstitions. I do not play. About superstitious. Paul, don’t play. Don’t play. We’re not playing.
FIAILOA: If a black cat is meowing outside your window at night, somebody in the house is gonna die. Jordan’s cat, inside out, crazy cat.
CASSIE: Oh my gosh. I can’t I can’t have you guys heard the theory that Halloween is the one day that the underworld of people that, or whatever lives in the underworld, can come up or from down, Wherever, wherever, just come to our world and like, take the bodies of people.
KYLIE: I think I kind of have.
FIAILOA: I think like, I’ve heard like, a theory, like they have a stronger connection like with the living world.
CASSIE: Like they are able to come over.
KYLIE: I feel like, Have you guys seen like, the “Girl Vs. Monster”, like Disney movie where it’s like her parents are like, capturing, but like, around spooky season, like Halloween, they like, go out and they capture, like the most, like, Yeah, mostly spirit, goblins, whatever. And it’s like, oh
FIAILOA: Yeah. I heard that people started dressing up to, like, scare off.
CASSIE: Yeah. So I’ve heard that one. And then I also heard the fact that people dress up because the people that come up, they call them the dead. They dress up as people that are the dead, so that they can’t take your your body, they can’t take your soul. That’s why, like, we dress up now.
KYLIE: Yeah.
FIAILOA: And like, lowkey, it makes sense, because in movies even like “Hocus Pocus”, when the witches came back and they were scared, they’re like, I smell children, but I don’t see any children, right? Like, it started as a thing to, like, yes, confuse you-
CASSIE: Yeah because even in “Hocus Pocus”, and then they were like, oh the devil. Like, oh my god. And it was just this guy in a costume.
KYLIE: Right?
CASSIE: And, like, they thought that he was actually the devil.
FIAILOA: So there could be, like, truth in some of these movies, like, they take a little bit of lore and then make it like this, in extra extravagant thing, and then, like, over time, we just, let’s add candy, let’s do princesses.
CASSIE: Yeah.
KYLIE: Right.
CASSIE: I do think the candy stuFF came from like, the companies, right for money, like, 100%.
FIAILOA: Yeah.
KYLIE: That’s crazy. Like, I feel like, I don’t know, because I feel like, my mom, she’s never really like, we’ve done Halloween because it’s like, that’s what everybody does. But if she’s always been like, I think it’s like, devil, like, like, I don’t like it, like, she’s never explained that, like, I don’t know, like, she’s like, it’s definitely like, I don’t like it, like, it’s satany. Like, as Christians, you know, it’s like, and I’m like, what? Like, I just want to dress up, have funny, eat candy. But it’s like, is there that, like, deeper, like, creepier
CASSIE: Yeah, is there?
FIAILOA: Well, because there’s always that group of people that take it too far. There’s definitely some people.
KYLIE: Honestly, I really don’t like that
FIAILOA: That are, like, cutesy decorations and, like, just the fun of it. And then there’s other people that are like, you know, yeah, this is peak time.
KYLIE: To be their most like, you know-
FIAILOA: You know.
CASSIE: My gosh, actually, yeah. And then, I mean, not a lot of people would think about it to be like, Oh, it’s just Halloween, right, right? So it’s like I can dress up as whatever.
FIAILOA: So everybody’s like, not to say that it’s a problem, but like, when you’re dressing up as, like a nun, and you make it demonic, like, things like that, yeah, there’s those people that take it too far with, like, this kind of teeters on, you’re making the whole holiday kind of seem.
CASSIE: Right? No longer like a fun thing where you get to be in a princess dress or go as a minion, or, yeah, yeah, that’s kind of unfortunate.
KYLIE: We have gotten weird, but the costumes though low key. Like, I feel like there’s just kind of like when we see on TikTok I’m like, Are you dressed as that for Halloween? Like, like, all the things you could be.
FLAILOA: Some of them are like a little bit touchy.
KYLIE: Like out of all the people you could be, all the things you could be. I’m like why did you choose that?
CASSIE: I love Halloween because I just like embodying a different persona for the night.
KYLIE: I love it. The dress up. Dress Up is so much fun.
FIAILOA: It just like the spooky part of it is, like, actually spooky. I love spooky season because, like, spooky, I do like spooky. That made no sense at all.
KYLIE: I love the trees. I just love, love, like October in general. Thats just our birthday, the leaves, the spookiness like everybody’s looking for outfit, like a costume
FIAILOA: Like the cool air, right? You can do so much more with an outfit, you can layer.
KYLIE: Everybody’s being creative, almost too it’s like, what can we do for Halloween this year? It’s like, I find that so cute.
CASSIE: I know I love it. I love Halloween. I don’t know. I do think it’s kind of spooky.
KYLIE: It is spooky.
CASSIE: There are a lot of spooky things, but-
KYLIE: It’s like covered up.
FIAILOA: It’s like, it’s like, underlying spooky, if you think a little too hard.
KYLIE: It’s also so cutesy, like-
CASSIE: Okay, I have always thought that a haunted house would be the perfect place for someone to like, for a death to happen. Like, if you were a serial killer, like a murderer in a haunted house-
FIAILOA: Right? And nobody would-
KYLIE: Nobody would know. Nobody would think about it. Nobody would discover it.
CASSIE: Nobody would know!
KYLIE: Until clean up. Until clean up, nobody would know.
CASSIE: No, because like, at Scary Wood, like in Idaho, it like, you go through one haunted house and they have blood, and they’re like, cutting people up, like, there’s like, a whole, like, um, nurses room, like, yeah, where there’s like, people, like bodies on the table, and they’re like, you know, like, Yes, like that. So, like, I can totally see that. And like, everybody walking around, like, everybody walking around, like, scared, but nobody would be like-
FIAILOA: You would just think its part of the attraction.
CASSIE: Especially with special effects now, special effects are so good now.
KYLIE: Thats so true, you couldn’t even tell.
FIAILOA: Could watch a murder with your own eyes in a haunted house and think it’s a part of it.
CASSIE: You could be like “Oh, I’m so scared right now.”
FIAILOA: Right, That would be me tho. I wouldnt even look at it, just be like ah.
KYLIE: There has to be a horror movie that’s like that.
CASSIE: Oh, let’s make one.
KYLIE: Should we? Should we? What’s it called? Patent? Or is that for items? I don’t know.
CASSIE: Copyright?
KYLIE: Yes, copyright this right now.
CASSIE: If this has not been done we are gonna copyright it. Y’all can’t do it. Guys, don’t steal our idea. I don’t know, but I’m always scared. Like I’ve been thinking about that for a hot minute. I know I said that a lot, but I just feel like it could definitely happen, especially like at the spookier ones.
KYLIE: I feel like people are so I don’t know that is lowkey smart. Like, if you were you were, like, no, but like, if you were, like, mentally insane and like, that’s what you’re gonna do, like, going to a haunted house. I can totally see how that can, like, make someone like, like a light bulb, like, oh my gosh, that’s so scary. I don’t want to go to one now.
FIAILOA: And now you associate, everybody associates like violence and like crime with Halloween. Now, instead of like the dressing up, like, it’s associated heavily with crime, very much.
KYLIE: That is true. However, I do, I like a good haunted house. what is the point- Okay, so how did this even like come to be like haunted houses, like, who is like, oh my gosh, a chainsaw would be so good in a haunted house,
CASSIE: Like that’s whats creepy too.
KYLIE: I think its the sound.
CASSIE: But do they take, like, people’s biggest fears? And like, put them in a haunted house? They’re like, bugs. A lot of people are straight up bugs. It’s scary for some people. Let’s put them in a haunted house.
FIAILOA: Well, do you associate a lot of like, chainsaw goes with a serial killer, and bugs go with, like, rotting?
KYLIE: This is all so scary.
FIAILOA: You know?
CASSIE: Yeah. When did this come about like, the spookiness of halloween. Has it always been spooky? Or was it like, spooky? And then it became, like fun and cutesy.
KYLIE: Was it like, things are spooky? And then there’s like, oh, we should just do like halloween like, that’d be cute for the kids to dress up. You know?
FIAILOA: Maybe it’s always been spooky, but we were looking at it through like, kids eyes, like, I don’t know, I’m a princess. I’m getting candy. And then you get older, and you start to see all the little like, this is kind of scary.
KYLIE: I just love going to Spirit Halloween. When I was like, younger, like, I remember being so little, and I would like going to Spirit Halloween, I would like step on the little things to make it, like, do the creepy thing and pop out at you. And I was like, I love this. I like, I love being scared.
FIAILOA: So-
CASSIE: What were you gonna say, Fi?
FIAILOA: I was just gonna say, like, I think when you’re a kid, like, even the spooky like, it’s still the same spooky stuff. It’s just like, funner, it’s just like you are seeing it through a kids eyes.
CASSIE: It’s like, just like, it’s funny spooky. So Halloween, the origins of Halloween can be traced back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, which marked the end of summer and the beginning of winter. It says the Celts celebrated October 31 the night before the new year on November 1. They believe that the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred on this night
FIAILOA: So our conspiracies were a little bit true.
CASSIE: And then it says the Celts celebrated Samhain. I don’t know. I don’t know if I’m saying that right. By wearing costumes, often animal heads and skins, to avoid being recognized by spirits living lighting bonfires to guide souls to the afterlife and to keep the evil spirits away, they would dance around bonfires, and it would predict the future, such as marriage, health and death, and then the word so what we’re talking about, how the spirits are coming. They would dress up to protect themselves, to be recognized by the spirits, and then they would light the fires to guide them to the afterlife. So this can be true. They’re like, in there, in the Midway and trying to go to the afterlife.
KYLIE: Yeah, And they’re like helping them, like, scared of helping them, oh my god, they dress up, but they’re helping them.
FIAILOA: Yeah, wait.
KYLIE: Kind of positive. It’s kind of like, cute.
CASSIE: Yeah? It’s like, please don’t take me, but I’ll help you. I’ll guide you to the right place.
KYLIE: No, literally, I like that. That’s cute.
CASSIE: Oh my gosh. And it says the word Halloween is thought to be a combination of the word hallow, which originally met saint, which originally meant saint, and in which is even abbreviation for eve. So Saint Eve.
FIAILOA: So maybe it did. It had to do with guiding in the souls, and it was a cultural thing. And then, just over time.
CASSIE: Oh, but then this one also says in the Middle Ages, children and sometimes poor adults in Britain and Ireland began dressing up in costumes, going door to door to ask for food or money. And this was known as souling.
FIAILOA: So it also had to do with the same thing.
CASSIE: I don’t know that’s kind of-
FIAILOA: Maybe they’re like, different theories, like, it’s a combination.
KYLIE: Wait, they dressed up and went to the houses to ask for stuff?
CASSIE: Yeah and then it says, All Hallows Eve, I have heard, like, all Hallows Eve.
FIAILOA: I have heard that too, yeah.
CASSIE: And they say it’s the, it’s the evening before the Christian holy days of all Hallows day, which is, I think it’s on November, November 1. So, like, Hallows Eve before, like the hallows day, which is November 1, right?
FIAILOA: Wait, lowkey, I have a theory. What if, like, all these different places had different like, it’s all holidays that happen around the same time in different regions, and then, like, when, like, people trade and stuff, like, when these are crossing over, because these are all holidays in the same, like, in the same time period, but they just all combined. It, like, a lot of different aspects from different cultures.
KYLIE: Like I feel like it is because I feel like nobody, like, we didn’t really know.
CASSIE: Yeah, so it’s a combination.
KYLIE: Like, because nobody, like, told us, like, this is exactly what Halloween is.
FIAILOA: Right.
KYLIE: You know? So it’s like, and they don’t really talk about in school, because this has to be, it’s not Halloween again.
FIAILOA: It’s not a holiday.
KYLIE: It’s not a holiday. But also has it-People don’t like it. It’s like, a cultural thing though, too. Because that’s why we can’t bring it up in school. Like, instead of like, a Halloween party, it’s the harvest party, you know, right? like, middle school-
FIAILOA: ‘Cause its like, you’re not allowed to do any Halloween things because of Christians.
CASSIE: Oh, yeah.
KYLIE: Exactly, because it’s not like-
CASSIE: But then it also says that Halloween is a holiday observed on October 31 and noted for its religious roots and secular traditions.
FIAILOA: Right? Like, yeah, that’s what I’m saying.
KYLIE: That’s why it can be like in school. It does have a deep rooted
CASSIE: Deep rooted meaning? I didn’t even know that.
FIAILOA: It started from, like, cultures and religions, and through time, it just got just like that.
CASSIE: Evolved, evolved, right? Big country, or big companies were like, oh, let’s make money.
KYLIE: Yes.
CASSIE: Oh, here’s candy.
KYLIE: Exactly.
CASSIE: Oh produce costumes. Let’s go.
FIAILOA: Yeah.
KYLIE: Cheap costumes for a lot of money.
CASSIE: All right, so that is all that we have for you all today. Do you have any final words you’d like to say?
KYLIE: No, I think so. I just love being here and like, thank you. Love Colorado.
CASSIE: It was fun. You guys are always welcome back. Have fun. On this spooky, spooky day after learning the origins, I feel like I need to go all out for Halloween now and light some bonfires, guide people to the right place, to their right home, and just have fun
KYLIE: Yes, be safe. Have fun.
CASSIE: Yes, be safe. Have fun and eat lots of candy. Well, thank you for listening.
ALL: Happy Halloween!